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Responses in Support of the BAA

October 6, 2009

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My first reaction is “NO.” No way!! I will read what I can about this, but I am very suspicious of such a change in attitude in such a short period. I also do not like the sound of their “demand” to be heard on that particular occasion if that is accurate. I do not believe the BAA has undermined Baylor in the past and not now, but has pointed out shortcomings when called for.

Let’s face it, we all love Baylor and we are all family. If we can’t discuss things openly and honestly then we are not really a family. If I read something the BAA puts out I disagree with, I will say so but that is not usually the case. Thanks for your support of Baylor. I will trust your judgment in this matter and we all appreciate you keeping us informed.
Macaline D. Barnes '66, JD '72
Roanoke, Virginia

I would strongly advise against allowing the regents to dissolve the BAA board and charter. A strong, independent alumni association has been one of my saving graces with regards to Baylor, especially during the fundamentalist controversies on the 1980s. Dissolution would mean the end of the ability to dissent from the "official" view, and I do not think that is a good idea in any situation. The ability to have a "loyal opposition" is one of the very best features of Baylor life, and the end of such would mean the end of my association with my alma mater.
Rev. Raymond C. Ball '74
Dallas

I am not a graduate of Baylor, but my daughter received her MA and BA and currently works in the Waco school district as a counselor with the elementary age students. I would like to offer my two cents as an outsider.

I am a big fan and supporter of Rice University. Several years ago, Rice higher ups wanted to discontinue the football program. As you know, football rules in Texas, all the way from high school to the college level. Needless to say this brought out the Rice alumni, and the Rice administration found out real quick how many and how much in donations and contributions the university was going to lose if the football program was dropped. Rice dropped the thought of dismantling the football program and since then enough supporters have donated enough money to remove the Astroturf and put grass turf down. They now have a jumbotron and have on the drawing board plans for a new weight room and offices for the coaches and other improvements to the facilities. These improvements are second hand but come from a very reputable source. Baseball as you know is another big sport at Rice. Reckling Park has had numerous facelifts and there is more to come, but Reckling Park has been voted as one of the best five fields in the Nation. Talking to some of the visiting team players at the regional’s last year, they all said they had never played at a nicer field.

The reason I share this with you is because I have some friends here in Houston that make some big, and I do mean big, donations to the athletic programs and to Baylor. I worry they and others will be less likely to continue with the amount they give and will give smaller amounts.

I applaud your feistiness in the work you are doing and wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. You have the ammo to win, and I will pray you will be victorious in your battle.
James W. Hajovsky

This is a rotten “1984” communications tactic from the trustees. The dissolution of the Baylor Alumni Association is precisely what the regents want in order to have complete control over all information disseminated to alumni.

This attempt is very bald, bold, and ridiculous. When I have more time to read the entire proposal, I will offer more comments, hopefully contribute something meaningful to add to the argument to preserve the BAA. Please hold off until the entire alumni have time to weigh in on this before capitulating to this “takeover” of what has apparently worked for Baylor for 150 years.

If a university can’t take the heat of criticism of its own alumni, it’s not much of a university—it’s more like a for-profit degree factory, and we have enough of those in this country, thank you very much.

P.S. I have stern words for David Garland and the Board of Regents, which I plan to send to him as soon as I have a complete understanding of the details of the proposal.
Eric Birk ‘86
New York City

I have been with Baylor since 1943, through all the storms, all the lost ball games, all the trials and tribulations over the presidency etc., both as a student and as an employee. Baylor has been trying to gain control of the alumni association forever. Please don’t give in now.
Doris Hollingsworth Gage ‘47
Lufkin

I can't help but wonder about the "conflict" the administration has with BAA or vice versa. I thought we were all in this together. I also wonder why the Board suddenly decided we need to be under their supervision and control. Nothing I have received from the university expresses their reason other than (1) the BAA employees will become employees of the university; (2) we are the only private university with a separate alumni association. Are these their only reasons?

For some reason I can't help but believe there is a stronger underlying reason to combine.

It would be nice if all 117,000 alumni were in one integral association for the university. But some opt out and they will if BAA is under control of the university.

How will having the Board of Regents our boss and comptroller make a stronger more efficient and wealthier association?

I have the feeling they want control of whatever assets the BAA has. Most moves like this do.

I have no real objection to the merger, if done for the proper reasons. If I was called upon to vote at this moment in time, based on the limited knowledge we seem to have, I would have to vote no.
James K. Walker, LLB '60
Levelland

I really don't know where to begin. One wonders why the move to silence independent voices is so pervasive on the extremes of the political partisan sides. But it is—Baylor, our alma mater is unique in its ability to lose a high percentage of its alums from maintaining contact with the university—with a lack of any analytical data but comprised of my own personal feedback I attribute it to the culture that is intolerant because it is based on a southern Baptist value plateau that refuses to grow and adapt in the last few years—not necessarily historically so.

Having attended private Christian schools my entire life—Jesuit, Catholic, Baptist—I feel I am somewhat adept in recognizing that aspect. While the other Christian denominations want to encourage different viewpoints, Baylor in the recent decade has stepped away from doing so—not sure why. Who is calling the shots and why?

Anyhow, squashing independence is never good for the well-being of the organization—think East Germany, Iran today, and a host of others. Certainly not a good thing for an institution of higher learning.

You have my support and encouragement to maintain an inquisitive and independent path to BAA.
Fawaz Hashmi '86
Houston

I want to voice my strong opposition to the university’s proposal. The public way in which it was presented, the seemingly strong-armed way they are trying to go about drumming support for it, it all leaves me greatly suspicious of the motives and intentions of the Board of Trustees. It does not seem to me that it was handled in a professional way and more troubling to me was not handled in a Christian or ethical manner as far as I am concerned. I wholeheartedly urge the BAA to decline the proposal.
Danny Wilson '80

Don't agree to it! Keep your independent voice which has historically been so important to those of us who left Baylor fresh with the wonderful memories of youth, made lives for ourselves but still deeply enjoy knowing what's going on at Baylor. I cannot imagine how news from Baylor would sound if it only comes from the approved voice of the regents. Stand fast! There's a lot of green and gold being flung afar out here and we need your independent voice!
Nanci Stiteler Felice '64
Austin

As a 1950 graduate of Baylor University with a BBA degree, I credit that education with being the primary factor, other than my individual personality, which has influenced the progress of my profession. There is no way in which I can repay the university for the life it has helped me to live.

In January 2009, I completed fifty-eight years as a Certified Public Accountant. I am also an ordained Baptist minister, having preached my first sermon when I was fifteen years old. I have also been a licensed real estate broker for over thirty years. The preparation I was given by my education at Baylor University contributed heavily to these achievements.

Something I learned during these eighty-two years of my life is that organized religion nearly always involves POLITICS. This is the primary reason Baylor University separated itself from the Southern Baptist Convention and its controlling political structure. Why then have the Baylor University Board of Regents come "full circle" and now decided that BAA should no longer exist?

ALL ALUMNI ARE ENTITLED TO KNOW WHY. The BAA and Baylor have existed, independently, supporting each other mutually and should continue to do so.

This brings to mind the scripture upon which my first sermon was based: Matthew 14:25-33. Peter is indicative of all of us when we take our eyes off the main objective of our lives, Jesus Christ. Put another way, "What are we trying to accomplish?" When we take our eyes off our main objective, we loose our perspective. More than one relationship is ruined when the MUTUAL spirit of "SUPPORTIVENESS" has been lost.

My prayer is that the BAA board and the BU regents will focus their eyes on the main objective of our relationship and mutually resolve any differences in a manner in keeping with our Christian heritage.
B. J. Chenault '50
Lubbock

I think General Anthony McAuliffe put it quite succinctly during WW II—“NUTS.”
Philip Miller '80
Rowlett

I'm a recent graduate and wanted to share my opinions on the recent proposal submitted by Baylor's regents. I've only been a BAA member for a little over a year and didn't know of the hardships of feelings between the BAA and Baylor until I graduated. I'm disappointed that there isn't a working relationship or close bond between these institutions. Both are important to me and should seemingly have the same goals and missions at heart.

I've been receiving boatloads of public relations e-mails from Baylor's different facets; the plethora of communication and its nothing-but-positive, overjoyed content when mentioning the "generosity" of Baylor's offer to absorb the BAA has me very concerned. I'm in the advertising industry, and they are definitely working hard to sell this idea to as many people as possible and apply a lot of pressure to the BAA to force its hand.

I want to encourage you to stay strong and move slowly. I'm not convinced that having the BAA becoming a Baylor department is in the best interest of Baylor's alumni. I don't want you to accept the proposal unless you are first allowed to have a meeting with the regents and Interim President Garland. There are many questions and issues that you and the alumni want direct, face-to-face responses to. If they are not willing to have one, if not several, closed meetings with the BAA, then I would highly recommend turning down the proposal.

I love Baylor, but I don't love the politics and red tape that comes with being a part of a large institution. I don't understand why they can't be more open and transparent about their goals and feelings towards the BAA.

Please move very slowly and be persistent in your requests to meet with the regents before accepting or rejecting the proposal. I'm sure I'll e-mail with more thoughts later. Thank you for your honesty and openness in relaying these recent actions from Baylor. We, as alumni, always want to hear the truth about our beloved university—not a public relations statement.
Laura Berg '08
Atlanta, Georgia

1. The BAA should remain independent. Without independence, it’s nothing more than a propaganda arm.
2. The speed at which the regents have moved is similar to the attempts of Congress to ram through government health care. No debate planned, just push it through.
3. It appears the regents had hoped previous measures would force the BAA to “die its own death.” This having failed, more direct steps are now required.
4. My fifteen-year-old will soon be looking at colleges. I am so sick of this and other steps Baylor has taken that I will neither encourage nor discourage him regarding Baylor.
Roger Sefzik '78
Sioux Falls, South Dakota

The fact that the Baylor regents want to dissolve the BAA in the time of their 150th year of celebration is of great concern to me! My husband and I, my brother, and my son and daughter-in-law are all graduates of Baylor. We have grandchildren that will start coming to Baylor in three years! I certainly do not like what I hear that is going on with the Baylor Regents!

It is bad enough that they fired President Lilley last year! Who in the world would want to come to Baylor now as president when such is going on! (By the way, I dated John Lilley for two years at Baylor, and I know how he loved Baylor.)

I have a friend that has a grandson going to Baylor at this time. She said that he loves Baylor and is getting a good education. Well, I am glad that the students might not be affected, but how long is it before all these problems do affect Baylor students! You would think that at a Christian university, all groups could learn to get along! That is of great concern to me also.

We are coming to Homecoming. We still love Baylor, but really don't like the fact that the regents are trying to dissolve the alumni association. Let me know what we can do to help.
Gatha Roberts Singleton '61
Pantego

I am concerned about Baylor University dissolving the alumni association and making it part of the university. In the past there are things that the university has done that I DO NOT TRUST. I want the alumni association independent. I do not trust Baylor University on many points. They are trying to control the message we get? Why is this so important to the school? Something is just not right. I just do not trust the school.

KEEP THE ALUMNI ASSOCIATION INDEPENDENT.
Travis Poe '90
Mabank

An independent alumni association offers the university a perspective that could be repressed inside Baylor's bureaucracy. Is this an attempt to gain control of lines of communication rather that what is truly best for the entire BaylorfFamily?
Damon Fehler ’85, MBA ’94, BA ’96, JD ’97
Waxahachie

First of all, bless your heart for having the celebration interrupted by demands from the university and reporters too!

I have several concerns, with the most important: who does the university think we are? We are not just a bunch of people who like Baylor, we are alums—former students! We love Baylor and only want to see the university improve and support those who are attending at this time! I am truly offended by the actions of the Board of Regents. I do not like family members fighting with family members and this is just what they are doing. I teach kindergarten and we do not allow bullying in our class or school. I feel like the BAA is being bullied!

I am going to calm down and try to enjoy the rest of my day. Thank you for letting me vent.
Nancy W.

I do not think it would be in the best interest of Baylor or Baylor alumni to dissolve the alumni association. I do not trust the motives of those making this proposal. I have been severely disappointed in the direction and decisions Baylor regents have made over the past decade.

I am a fifth generation Baylor graduate; my children are sixth generation graduates (three). My grandmother, whose blind preacher father also graduated from Baylor, would be totally appalled that neither she, her father, nor her grandchildren would have been able to attend Baylor had the policies that are now in effect been in effect 50-100 years ago. The experience of attending Baylor has helped to shape all our lives, yet now it is available only to the elite. Cost is only one problem at Baylor. I can't say that I would encourage my grandchildren to attend Baylor at this point—they would be the seventh generation of my family.

Because of the politics and agendas of a few, I believe the alumni association needs to remain autonomous. Otherwise, these agendas will go forward without any discussion at all. Trust has been severely damaged.
Pamela Leigh Nelson Mitchell '79
Eddy

I am not aware of all the historical, business, and other pertinent information regarding the Baylor Alumni Association as a separate entity. However, as a Baylor alumna and a lifetime member of the association, I have to say that I am and have been pleased with the mission and services of the association. At the risk of sounding like an uneducated country bumpkin, I adhere to the adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

The BAA has always been closely linked to its members who are a large and diverse group. As such, I am sure that many opinions and ideas are regularly expressed to the BAA board and addressed in its planning and strategy meetings. With such a long and proud history, the majority of Baylor alumni must feel the same way.

I applaud the board's commitment to extensively studying the university's proposal before making any decisions. I plan to stay actively involved in monitoring the progress of this decision, and I feel free to voice any more thoughts if the appropriate time arises. I am confident that with thoughtful and careful deliberation and the many prayers of the Baylor alumni, the outcome of this decision will be the right one.
Beth Bennett Cestari '84
Round Rock

All efforts must be made to continue the BAA as a self-supported independent organization the primary purpose of which is to serve the best interests of Baylor University and its alumni.
Art Whitmer '65, LLB '68
Houston

I look back at what has transpired at the Southern Baptist Convention over the years and just shake my head with disgust. Oh the politics, oh the drama, sounds like the BAA and Baylor should contact the networks and inform them that we have the makings for a reality TV show.

In short, if it ain't broke don't mess with it!
Wayne B. Carter '78
Albemarle, North Carolina

I would like for the Baylor Alumni Association to be left alone! Please leave it the way it has always been. I like the Baylor Line magazine. Do we really need two magazines?
Carol Winter Scott '55, MA '57
Big Spring

Thank you for your clear and informative discussion of Baylor representatives' request for our 150-year-old association to dissolve. I find it puzzling, to say the least. I suspect it all comes down to an issue of control. I am always leery of self-perpetuating groups that appear to dislike any form of criticism, constructive or not, and do not feel they are accountable to anyone. One has to wonder at the true motivation for such a strange move. It seems to me that Baylor's interests should come first, and by that I refer to the students, alumni, faculty, and administration. I always thought the regents and administration, and the BAA, were to serve those interests. After all, those groups ARE Baylor. Take them out of the picture, and you have a bunch of buildings, that's all.

I don't envy you your position, but hang in there. I think the idea of an independent BAA is a good one. It seems to have been effective for 150 years. I don't see why it can't continue to be effective and supportive of the alumni and the university.
Carroll W. Sturgis Jr. '61, JD '83
McAllen

Thank you for the lengthy comments. It is my understanding that the strongest drive in any human psyche is for power. It is mandatory to silence the opposition to obtain total power. We see this in all arenas, including current congressional struggles. Putting one's self out as a "Christian" does not seem to solve this human attempt to be God. Don't be silenced; don't owe the university anything! What you give in support, give out of love, not obligation. The proposal? Time to punt!
Beverly Shurette Hill '70
Hewitt

After reading Interim President David Garland's piece in the Waco paper, and the communication from BAA President David Lacy, I am most skeptical of the wisdom of the proposal by the interim administration and regents to eliminate the BAA as an independent organization. The manner in which the proposal was presented as discussed by President Lacy makes one especially suspicious of the motives of the administration and regents. The BAA has served Baylor and its alumni well. There is real value in having it independent. Events at Baylor in recent years demonstrate the need for an independent voice. I believe the course of action outlined by President Lacy to study the proposal and not capitulate is the prudent course. Let's see what that committee recommends.
Joseph Cheavens '62
Houston

Excellent response! This makes me proud of the way the alumni are responding.
Denise Jacobson Hendrix '89
Atlanta, Georgia

I am a long-time member of the alumni association, going on thirty years or so. My gut reaction is that this take-over bid by the regents is a reflection of today's national political climate. All kinds of glass ceilings have been shattered world wide in terms of race and gender opportunities in these intervening years. This shattering cannot be stopped by those that want to go back in time when “opportunity” was held by the select few!

The world has become far more diverse in the forty plus years since I completed my degree. Maybe it is time for the regents to become more diverse!
Carey L. Marsh '65
Los Osos, California

I can see no way that Baylor would want to take over a very successful organization that has given undying support unless money is involved. Is it to control the dues to use as they see fit? Just curious.
Dr. Andrew Williams '66
Fort Myers, Florida

I appreciate the information that has been honestly and openly presented. My personal opinion, as a "year by year" member of the BAA for over forty years, is to keep the BAA as it is, a separate entity. The way the "process" has been handled, the demand to be heard during the recent meetings, and the "official" letter telling how Baylor is the only such school with the alumni NOT be a part of the actual school is all very disturbing. It makes me feel that this is just one more part of the tragic Baptist story since 1979 (for which I am/was very proud of Baylor University and its stance).

To me it seems to boil down to: money, power, and control. I do not want to see the BAA become a "politically correct" entity, doing what higher powers say it must do, much as my beloved Baylor Chamber of Commerce was forced to do several years ago in changing its original mission and purpose. "Anything For Baylor" remains my belief, but don't compromise truth and principle. Please keep BAA separate and apart as it is now. Thank you for giving me a voice.
Johnny Warren '68
Tye

As with most alumni, I am a strong supporter of Baylor University and have consistently endeavored to present her to others in the most positive light. I have sent two children to Baylor and have encouraged other family members who also attended and graduated from Baylor. In my opinion, the proposal presented by the university to dissolve the BAA and merge it into university oversight is most disturbing. It seems that the university in its actions has directly attacked her most ardent supporters. My belief is that the BAA should continue to exist as an independent organization committed to the support of the university but free to contribute to the promotion and direction of the university without being under university control.
Stanley E. Young Jr. '63
Conway, Arkansas

Certainly the BAA should not be dissolved.
Dr. John H. Herring '56
Albemarle, North Carolina

I prefer the current independent alumni program as it now stands. The administration and board of regents need to keep their hands off!
Clifford Robert (Bob) Byrd ’62
Richardson

I have two comments on the current dispute between the Baylor regents and the BAA:

I would like to see the BAA continue as an independent entity to provide objective discussion of Baylor’s issues.
I would like to see the Baylor regents become open and inclusive in their deliberations.

Larry Sherwood '64
Horseshoe Bay

Independence is always best!! I am not in favor of the BAA coming under the authority of the Baylor administration, which in and of itself has plenty of problems.

Thanks for your continued communication with alums.
Bethany Logsdon Neff '97
Nashville, Tennessee

I am in favor of an independent voice. The argument that all other major universities do it this way is very weak. I do agree there could be some cost savings; however the independence far outweighs this argument. When we (Baylor) are at a crossroad and those that feel threatened (Board of Regents) are looking for control for whatever reason, I believe an outside opinion is even more important. Those that do not have enough courage to be challenged on the ideas they support may need to rethink their ideas. Independence is as American and Baptist as any trait we Baylorites have. Financial times are as tough as any this generation has seen, therefore many things need to be looked at to provide savings at all levels, however my independent streak runs stronger and I for one am not in favor of combining our efforts at this time.
Bob Geary ‘76
Houston

I received the e-mail this morning, and I had not responded to the Baylor proposal. I believe that BAA should remain independent of the university. I am also tried of this issue being proposed. This issue has resulted in part for two former Baylor presidents being asked to step down. I believe that the university simply wants control of assets and monies given to the BAA organization.

Second, this is being presented by an interim president who appears to be controlled by a select few of Board of Regents that have continued with a desire to shut down BAA.

I vote to tell the university that the alumnae organization will be around for another 150 years.
Mark Wilkins '73

Please stay independent.
William Staggers '76, MSEco '77
Marshall

When any group that pushes—blitzes even—a desire or proposal the way Baylor is, that means something is up, and probably wrong, with the proposal. Witness all that is going on in Washington, D.C., right now that has to be done YESTERDAY. Can't wait.

I used to think Baylor and the BAA should have more connection (at least have the link on the website), but I'd be VERY wary of what Baylor wants at this point.

Sic ’em, BAA!
Terry Cummings Cocking '89, MSEd '92
Washington, Texas

Without elaboration, we prefer the BAA to remain independent.
Dr. Yandall '49 and Leta Beene Woodfin '49
Fort Worth

I agree with the current BAA stance on the issue and should remain an autonomous entity. I applaud and fully agree with Ms. Marie Brown's sentiment on the issue. The administration and regents have spent way too much time wandering in the wilderness for the past seven years. They need focus and a change of spirit in order to move Baylor forward. I'm sure that Judge Baylor and Pat Neff are turning over in their graves right now.
Dr. J. Torey Nalbone '81
Tyler

I am a 1998 graduate of Baylor University and support its endeavors, However, I also support the endeavors of the BAA. I am a lifetime member of the BAA and felt my membership to the BAA was for the rest of my life, not the BAA's. I am opposed to the offer the Baylor regents made to the BAA and feel it is the members’ responsibility to let the BAA know you speak for me. I feel the independence of the BAA is a crucial role in getting to the truth behind the decisions of Baylor University and provides the alumni with independent facts of what's happening to our school.

To include the BAA is one thing, to silence it is nothing I want to be a part of.
Edward Gonzales '98
Hewitt

Please include my voice for the BAA to remain independent from Baylor and the control of the administration and the Board of Regents. There is no reason to dissolve this organization and its history of service to the university as an independent body.
P. Elizabeth Wilson Schaffer '88
Arlington

I have been a member of the Baylor Alumni Association for a number of years and have been pleased with the work of the BAA. I think the BAA is addressing this proposal in an appropriate manner and will continue to do so. As of yet, I have not seen the basis for the proposal. Is it about money or is it about control? If it is about money, what are the numbers that support the proposal? If it is about control, what is being lost that can be captured? I think in general history portrays a very dark cloud over those who want control for the sake of control, and over those who want control but provide no clear plan as to why and what they will do with it. I also believe that delegation and collaboration are at the very heart of any Christian community. My prayers will be with you as you work through this.

I believe it was in the '80s that Baylor and the Southern Baptist General Convention became deeply divided over several issues. It was a very contentious time; however, in the end I believe that the result that was reached was far better for Baylor than if Baylor had simply acquiesced. Perhaps there are lessons learned from that time that could shed light on whether or not independence of the BAA is in the best interest of Baylor.
Mark L. Veltmann '82
Houston

I have watched with interest the last few years as Baylor has taken steps to disconnect from the Baylor Alumni Association. Before this hoopla, I always assumed that the BAA was part of Baylor but, being trained as a journalist, through the Lariat no less, I appreciate why they are separate.

When I was at Baylor, one of the biggest jokes was that Baylor was the overbearing parent, intent on hiding bad news from its students and sheltering them from the worries of the world. This made it all the more fun to attack it and to try to escape from under its influence. After my first year at Baylor, I thought I made the wrong choice in attending the school, but after having graduated for twenty-three years, I know that I made the right one.

I guess I chose Baylor in part because I needed the nurturing atmosphere, but it bothered me that we seemed to always be monitored and that the world was filtered through the Baylor lens. Some of my favorite memories center around my work on the Lariat staff. In that environment, we had a few restrictions on the stories we published, but Baylor pretty much allowed a bunch of editor-and-reporter-wannabes to say almost anything they wanted. That independent "lab" was one of the things that made me love Baylor more throughout the years. It was a cornerstone that paved my way to journalism in the big city of New York and led me to be a free and critical thinker.

My knee-jerk reaction to Baylor's proposal to dissolve the BAA and merge its operations into the university's is, "No way! They're trying to take away our freedom again." Then, I paused and looked at it as a businessperson (wish I had taken classes at Hankamer) and parent. As a businessperson, I want my company to grow, and to do that, I need to minimize dissent among my staff so that we can work together to make that happen. As a parent, I strive to encourage my children to be strong and independent, but I want to protect them from harm as well. I always tell my children that my job as their parent is bittersweet: to train them to be independent so they can one day leave me and blame me for everything that is wrong in their lives.

What is Baylor's role in our lives, and how can the BAA facilitate that?

Baylor needs an independent voice because of its conflicted efforts through the years to shake it. Judging from the BAA's publications and communications, it is currently serving as both supporter and "watchdog," a term the BAA has said the university uses in a critical manner. The challenge is how to preserve these roles by possibly centralizing alumni outreach efforts while maintaining independence.

I would very much like to see a study of other university alumni associations and how they handle this issue. Are other alumni associations independent or part of the university? If they are part of the university, how do they maintain an independent voice? Of course, Baylor is different from many other universities, in that it has a strong religious component, but why not do parallel studies, one comparing all universities with religious affiliations (Don't forget the Mormons and the powerful BYU) and another comparing all secular universities. Perhaps this study has already been done, in which case this would be the right time to share it with alumni.

In the meantime, I think the BAA should remain independent of the university.
Sharon Lee ’86
Flushing, New York

It is amazing to me that with all the talk of healing divisions in the Baylor family and with all the progress that has been made, that suddenly we have a proposal that seems calculated to create further strife. The alumni association has a long history of being independent of, but supportive of the university. This arrangement has served the alumni well and the university. I see no reason to change the relationship.
Judge Ralph Strother '65, MA '67, JD '82
Waco

It seems the issue as always is who controls the money and manages its allocations. If the foundational argument of the Board of Regents for dissolving the independence status is because of financial mismanagement then make the budgets, giving, and money allocations public to the alumni. This will prove or disprove the board’s argument. Make this available for the past ten years. How we received the money and where every cent has gone.

Otherwise this seems to be another power play with hidden agenda’s on both sides. Full disclosure and open honesty is the only way to eliminate the “spin” that hides the truth.
Steve Blaschke '88, MA '93
Richardson

By all means, remain an independent, legal entity! We all love Baylor and fondly remember our days as a student but that doesn't mean we, as an association, should be another department of the university. We need an unbiased voice for our alumni regarding the policies, practices, controversies, etc. of our beloved Baylor University.
John E. Bales '53
San Antonio

A proposal forced upon the BAA and then glorified in many ways by the Board of Regents' media blitz, can only lead to the question: WHY?

If I thought the Board of Regents and administration could be trusted to have any respect for alumni as a whole, I might be able to accept it. Since Dr. Reynolds’s retirement, I haven't seen anything from the Board of Regents and administration that engendered trust.

Creation of the Baylor Network was simply the first step in what turns out to be a long-range strategy to still the voice of the BAA and thus the voices of all but a privileged few of the alumni. Going forward, I fear the alumni as a whole will only be seen as a "cash cow,” not a group that should have any thoughts about how Baylor should conduct its affairs.

Thus, l believe that the BAA's best choice at this time is to simply say NO, and leave the door open to serious negotiation instead of the present power grab.

Then we might see the true feelings and purpose behind the present proposal.
Ernest Hawthorne '58
Plano

I would like to see the Baylor Alumni Association continue as it has for the past 150 years—we have a great group of alumni that should continue to operate as it has in the past. Baylor tried to extricate itself from our group several years ago and why they want to incorporate now is unknown. Please keep the alumni group as it is.
Carole Fannin Stoker, att. '63-64
Odessa

Mission accomplished? If so, the Regents wouldn’t be trying to shut you down, and put a muzzle on our beloved BAA.

Keep up your good works. Be true to your school. This isn’t the first time someone tried to cut off their NoZe to spite their face.

Perhaps eventually, everyone will learn that in the end—it’s not all about the money, and the truth will set them free.
Gene F. Stevens '76, JD '77
Dallas

I am against the proposal to silence the independent voice of BAA; thereby, the voice would be one of many other departments without the unique perspective BAA offers now. My husband is a banker, and in these financially troubled times, we have seen corporations after corporations dissolve or at least struggle for their last breath. One of the first indicators is the need to try and gather more control. If Baylor controls the voice of BAA, it will not be long until they control the finances of those members who have graduated, worked hard to support their family and community, including the Baylor family.

The financial paper trail speaks loudly and the wise, time-honored voice of the BBA will be a dimmer, distant voice of reason. For that reason, and those listed above, the BBA should remain independent as our founders and followers of the faith designated. Thank you for considering my voice,
Phyllis Hill Clary '78
Kingwood

I love Baylor, but I trust the alumni association.

This unsolicited proposal has the same look and feel as the strong-arm tactics I distrust coming out of Washington these days.

If their takeover had merit, the university would NOT behave in such a way. I urge you to do what is best for Baylor and remain independent from the university.
Mike Lovelace '90
Houston

Don't do it.

One day in chapel, Abner McCall told us as president of Baylor, the first group he tried to factor in every decision he made was the alumni. The reason, as only the Judge could put it, was "Alumni can't transfer." The value of their degree goes up or down with the reputation of the university.

That's why I depend on the alumni association being independent of the university. You are my voice, and if independence is removed, it gives the Board of Regents a blank check to do whatever they wish with the university. And frankly I don't have a great deal of confidence in them. Why would they constantly pick fights with an organization who loves Baylor?

It makes no sense to me. Tell them thanks, but no thanks.
Richard C. Luttrell '78
Richardson

Stay free or die! There is too much filtered, biased information in our news today. I am a thirty-five-year member of the Baylor Alumni Association, and over the past few years, the Baylor Alumni Association is one of the few sources I trust for reliable information. The university frequently does not respond to controversial questions, and when they do make statements, they very often just don't make sense, because they say they cannot discuss details involving "people/personnel" issues. How many issues don't involve "people"? Please keep the pipeline of information flowing, so that we can make informed decisions about what is happening at Baylor. In spite of many questionable decisions by "transient" officials in Baylor's administration over the last several years, I, like you, still love my school and hope that someday Baylor University will again make us proud! You need to keep the faith we have placed in you, and I will continue to pray for a peaceful resolution.
Ernest Lane '75, MA '77
Robinson

Baylor's demand to meet does not set the tone for a reasonable discussion. I think that the BAA needs to be independent of Baylor control in any manner. Although Baylor is a fine Christian university, I don't think it has not shaken the perception of outsiders as a "Bible College," and while it attracts many because of this, many are afraid of this perception and will not attend. I see an independent BAA as a more secular voice in curbing some of the religious attitudes of the past that have given Baylor bad publicity. An incident from the past comes to mind of a student asking his professor in class whether he was a born-again Christian, and being told that it was none of his business, and that it was between him and God only. As I remember it was a bad time for Baylor and the board.

In my own family, I am greatly indebted to Baylor for having opened the door to my father when other universities in Texas would not admit "Mexicans" in 1914, although he was born in Texas and his family had been in what is now Texas since the 1753. He had been refused admission because of his ethnicity, but it took a professor of Spanish (William Moye ) that befriended him (read BAA) to convince the administration to admit him, and after a meeting it was decided to admit him in 1914. He went on to be admitted to the Baylor College of Medicine and graduated with his MD degree in 1920, the first Mexican American to graduate from a Texas medical school, (refer to the 1920 Round-up). Since then I, my brother, and my son have all attended Baylor, and I would like to believe that it was because of an independent voice that provided a differing opinion, all to the good of Baylor and its alumni.
Dr. Cayetano E. Barrera '59
McAllen

I find the way the university and the BAA are interacting to be reminiscent of junior high behavior—very childish, very immature. The quality of this communication process is not representative of the quality of education and the quality of the experience I enjoyed at Baylor. Nor is it representative of the quality of education and the quality of the experience my daughter is currently enjoying at Baylor.

As a lifetime member of the BAA, I appreciate the independence of the organization, and I clearly see the value of that independence. I hope it remains that way—though it appears the university is determined to change that. I see no material value to the university to the change.

If the purpose of the change is to work to increase alumni participation, then there are many venues this can be accomplished—working with the BAA and independently. I'm not naive enough to believe that if the university takes over alumni relations that a corresponding increase in alumni contributions will occur.
Mark T. Bower '84
Corpus Christi

I am so opposed to this takeover by the university for so many reasons. I served on the alumni board many years ago and loved it. I am glad you are getting a study committee—but again my opinion is to stay independent. It appears this is just a power play by the university. The alumni should be allowed to voice opinions openly whether for or against issues of the university. We need this voice!

Let me know what we can do to keep our independence.
Jodie Ross Wurzbach '70
San Antonio

I certainly do not know the whole truth as to why the regents and administration want to eliminate the independence of Baylor Alumni Association; yet, from my past twenty-year career association with a Texas post-secondary educational institution, I would be immediately apprehensive.

Boards do not typically get the truthful input from staff and faculty on some issues for their fear of reprisal by the respective board, individual members, or supervisory administration (that will not buck the board's view), and sometimes individual members have their own agenda (or even lack of sincere interest or ability in the matter) that may or may not be in the best interest of the educational institution.

Also, due to recent oversight failures caused by greed, indifference, or ignorance of major governmental, financial, industry, etc. national boards collectively, aware citizens are rightly leery.

Now, if the Lord is in charge and the board and its members seek and follow his will in all their decisions, no problem! Thanks and always best wishes for Baylor University.
Bob Johnston '62
Harlingen

Stated in David Lacy's letter, the mission of the BAA is "to do what is best for Baylor." Baylor itself is telling the BAA that what they know is best is for the BAA to fold into the university. This is what Baylor's official stance is and what Baylor considers best. There is no parent/child relationship here, but with my children, there are times they "know" what is best for them and in the long term are very wrong. I believe that currently this is the situation with Baylor.

An independent alumni association is able to serve the university without bias or the underlying politics that change from decade to decade.

As a Baylor student, I was in the Chamber of Commerce. The CC motto is "Anything for Baylor," similar to the BAA's mission. Sometimes that is best is to take the bad-tasting medicine and get better. Baylor's current medicine is that the independent alumni association does not always bow to Baylor's wishes.

I would encourage the BAA to remain independent and be in a position to shed light on issues that need alumni attention, but with the main goal of positively supporting Baylor and its programs.

I would encourage Baylor University to open dialog and not address issues in a heavy-handed manner. Baylor's goals should be more focused on higher education excellence than higher fund raising; the latter will come when the former is achieved. There are no shortcuts.

My days at Baylor were special. The campus, the education, the friendship, the service, and the deep-seeded love for Baylor is an important part of my life. My grandfather, both my parents, and my wife all attended Baylor, even Rufus Burleson was the brother of my great great great grandfather (not that I got a discount or anything). The green and gold runs deep, but staying true to how she got so great, Baylor needs an independent alumni association.
Jon Gregory '83
Columbus

Please maintain the BAA as an independent voice of our university. How else would the alumni ever know what the TRUTH really would be regarding the operations of BU. I am ashamed of Dary Stone and his cohorts. They are a vindictive bunch, and it is not hard to know why when we remember Robert Sloan and what he was doing to our university. I would hope our largest alumni contributors would let their feelings be known to the Board of Regents. God bless your board and staff.
Joe Kilman '57
San Angelo

Having read the available material, it appears as if the university administration is acting like our government. That makes me both leery and uncomfortable. Be careful and open-minded but do not take a path that leads nowhere.
Roy M. Cotton '55
Birmingham, Alabama

If this takeover goes through, I will have to resign my life membership in BAA.

I have been more and more distressed at the narrow-mindedness of the university in recent years, which is in direct conflict with the meaning of the word "university," and have stopped giving to Baylor as a result, as I have told the callers many times. Baylor's respect in the national university community is eroding. (I am a college professor and work with many college faculty, mostly in the Midwest.) The BAA at least has had a voice that may have had some moderating effect. That other universities control their alumni organization seems to me to be a poor reason for making this change, as Baylor has always prided itself on being different. I had hopes that this trend to mind control by the fundamentalists would be temporary.

Please resist! If the university is really afraid that it cannot deal with criticism from those who love it, that's a sad situation. I'd really miss the Baylor Line, the only link I have with the university that is not just PR hype.
Carol Orr Nancarrow '70
Dayton, Ohio

I am ashamed of the way the Baylor administration has handled this proposal. I don't appreciate feeling bullied through demanded meetings and media announcements. Bringing this in a proposal state to the media is not in Baylor's best interest, only the administration’s, and clearly shows the need for a separate organization to represent the alumni. I believe in checks and balances as our government is based upon. I think the BAA has worked well for 150 years and should continue. If it is absorbed by the current administration, I will have to think long and hard about continuing to send any money (my initial feeling is not to) as they are not inspiring any confidence in me that they are doing what's best for Baylor.
Shari Souter Williams '86
Flower Mound

Do not fold. You are our last hope of ever restoring Baylor to its former greatness.
John Wilkerson '57
Lubbock

While I do not have a long personal history with the campus or with BAA, I am proud to have furthered my education at Baylor and decided to become a BAA Life Member (#11864) upon graduation. I am aware that several years ago the university initiated a shift away from the BAA to create an in-house alumni organization. I am of the opinion that continued independence by the Baylor Alumni Association shall best serve its constituency.
Tim Morrissey, MBA '06
Newark Valley, New York

The BAA certainly does need and is entitled to an explanation as to why this is taking place. It should at least be put off until the new president is in place.
Bert David '49
Dallas

Until we have an established president with a couple of years under his belt, I say put it off.
Chad Cowan '92
Anson

I am tired of the university administrators placing a low value on the BAA, as it exists now. Why can’t they leave well enough alone?

Can the interim administration give one real reason why the BAA should dissolve and let the university have an “alumni association”? They haven’t yet.
Can the interim administration name one real problem that exists with the current situation? They haven’t yet.
Has the interim administration ever heard the saying, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”? The BAA isn’t broken. Don’t offer to fix it.
Has the BAA ever had an “interim administration”? Think of the advantages of an independent alumni association: stability, continuity, reliability. And, of course, independence.

Nanette Wofford '84, BSN '08
Midlothian

The announcement on Baylor’s Web site of the university’s proposed hostile takeover—the phrase seems apt—of the Baylor Alumni Association opines, “We should speak with a united voice in support of Baylor's mission, challenges and opportunities, and accomplishments.” The emphasis seems to be on the word “united.” And in his October 1 email announcement of the move, David Garland observes that Baylor is “the only private university in the nation with a separate, independent alumni association.” Between the lines (no pun intended), one discerns the sentiment that this disjunction has contributed to recent friction between the two organizations. Yes, I suppose that’s theoretically possible. But an equally plausible interpretation, at least from the perspective of this alumnus, is that it’s more effect than cause. (As witness the university’s unilateral decision a few years ago to end its long-standing business arrangement with the association.)

At least for the foreseeable future, I would rather the alumni association stayed at arm’s length from the university’s leadership. Hearing that “separate, independent” voice is most important precisely when there are conflicting visions of Baylor’s future.
Karl Sutterfield '71
Denver, Colorado

I find the action of Baylor extremely sad. I think the timing is very unfortunate. When the university is supposed to be trying to bring in a new administration, heal wounds, have reconciliation of the university segments, start anew so to speak, no sane person would ever predict such an action as has been done to BAA. Please continue to fight for autonomy!
Gary Smith '64, MA '66
Bedford

STAY INDEPENDENT!
June Starkey Gilbreath '59
Waco

Thank you for your very informative letter. Your questions are the very ones that my husband (alumni ’75) and I were discussing when all of this happened earlier in September. I think that the BAA should remain independent forever! I do not know what is going on either, but the manner in which it was done on September 19 and the way Baylor has taken away the money and all in the past, makes me wonder about the whole agenda. The Baylor Alumni Association should remain independent.
Jan Coe Graham '74
Waco

BAA, STAND FIRM and refuse to give in! That Baylor University's Board of Regents (BOR) would demand dissolving the Baylor Alumni Association is the lowest of insults to every Baylor graduate! To imply that the Baylor Alumni Association does not support Baylor is to deny the millions of dollars the university receives from its graduates as well as the recruiting of high school seniors in every city where there is a BAA.

When the Board of Regents returns to EVERY BAYLOR GRADUATE every dollar the university has EVER received from GRADUATES, then perhaps the Board of Regents can be considered as humble and functional human beings with Baylor interest as their ONLY goal!

History indicates that "inbreeding" often leads to mental deficiencies in later generations. Seems "self-appointing" is not much different! Someone needs to dig into policies and laws and change the way Baylor University's Board of Regents members are selected before our cherished walls crumble under the current Board of Regents.
Betty Linebarger Weissinger '72
Abilene

The Baylor Alumni Association MUST maintain its independence from the university in order to provide an open, honest, and balanced forum instead of becoming a conduit for Baylor propaganda. Baylor is a wonderful university, but during my years there as a student, I witnessed several themes that are not in the advertising package: CONTROL, saving money, and collecting money.

Make sure your building and site leases are in order! The university and it's bloated and unwieldy Board of Regents WILL find a way of taking over if they don't get their way. Be careful!
Ann Westfahl Kroll '82, MSEd '90
Omeha, Nebraska

For years I have sat on the sidelines observing the infighting that was going on between different "Baylor constituents" knowing that such was not good for Baylor. I frankly didn't understand what was going on and even now I don't know all the issues involved.

However, when the Board of Regents proposes to do away with the BAA, an organization that has served Baylor faithfully for 150 years, I think I see the true colors of the Board of Regents. I am terribly disappointed in what the Regents has done and hope that in the final analysis the BAA remains as it is today, a separate and independent entity.
M. Gene Robertson '62
Longview

Stay independent. This is just a power play with the Board of Regents. Don't they have more important things to worry about? Like hiring a new president! The old one did not work out very well.
Jack Williams '73
Plano

Don't dissolve the BAA. The university regents are not to be trusted. They have messed up everything they have touched over the past fifteen years including two TERRIBLE presidents. As a last resort, get a vote from the membership. Only the BAA can stop Baylor from continuing to go towards a second-rate university due to its inept leadership.
James Johnstone '61
Santa Fe, New Mexico

Stay free!
Ron Wilson '64
Thousand Oaks, California

The news that the Baylor regents wish to make our alumni association a department of the university is no surprise. The purpose is, of course, to enable the university to totally control relations with the alumni and to not allow different views and opinions.

I am an alumnus (BBA '49), a former Baylor trustee (1976-1985), and have been an active supporter of the university with my time and money. I had great respect for Abner McCall and Herb Reynolds as presidents and board members who served Baylor so well. Then I had the sad experience of being involved with the Baylor president Robert Sloan. The comparison of McCall and Reynolds to Sloan and the comparison of our previous boards under McCall and Reynolds to the boards aligned with Sloan show them to be dramatically different from one another. As a result, I have little or no confidence in the present board. Thankfully, Baylor continues some of the values ingrained from years past, but after these values are far in the past I cannot imagine the Baylor of the future being a Baylor I would want to support.

I continue to support the independent Baylor Alumni Association but do not believe I should continue support of the university. This current decision of the regents regarding the alumni association confirms to me I am correct in my current relations with the university. This is sad for me, but I cannot support our current Board of Regents nor the influence they espouse. I just do not believe their actions will result in a Baylor University I would wish to support.

Best wishes for an independent Baylor Alumni Association.
Kelly F McCann Sr. '49
Dallas

I fully support the Baylor Alumni Association. Keep your hands off of it and your noses out of it, regents in charge.
Deniece Weissinger '76

Of course, the alumni organization should remain independent, with an independent voice that loves Baylor. All alums want to see Baylor achieve and continue to be a very special university. It's almost the same as the pride you always want to have in your own parents. There will always be bumps in the road, and alums want to stay informed of those "bumps," because they are there to support and possibly help in any way they can—just as in your own family.

Baylor and her faculty provided a very positive learning and growing experience that changed our lives for the better for me, my husband, and our three children. And the alumni association has helped keep us a part of Baylor through many years and several generations.

To me, the behavior of these regents is the very reason why the alumni association should remain independent. I pray that this "bump" in the road will come to its rightful conclusion, and Baylor will continue as an inspiring and excellent institution and the alumni association continues to independently inform its constituents.
Joanna Heffington Nelson '70
Austin

I would think that the Baylor administration would be ashamed to put its complaints out in the public and refuse to meet with Baylor Alumni Association board members in private. Whatever the difference between the two organizations, there can be only one question—What is in the best interest of Baylor?

The BAA has been in existence for 150 years, and it would be unacceptable to give up their right to express what they think is best for Baylor. Is it possible that Baylor’s administration wants to go in a direction that would not be acceptable to the BAA and not in the best interest of Baylor? Is it possible that Baylor’s administration wants a different kind of structure that would change Baylor, as we have known it, during these 150 years?

Let’s not surrender the rights of the BAA to those who would cut off vital discussion on issues facing Baylor during these coming years.
Tom W. Bullington Sr., JD '50
Austin

Do not sell out the BAA. The proposal from the interim president and regents makes no sense. They obviously do not comprehend what they are proposing in trying to dissolve the BAA. I cannot understand what they are trying to do except to totally undermine a worthy organization, the BAA, for their own devious ends. No way.
Dawson Warren '50, MSEd '51
Waco

I am impressed with the calm message which you sent to us alums after the latest proposal from the Board of Regents, as I myself am still feeling very emotional about it.

I think it would be a terrible thing for Baylor if the alumni association gave up its independence. The alumni association is the only part of Baylor which is not under the thumb of the Board of Regents and which, as a result, is able to speak in the best interest of Baylor as opposed to the parochial interests of the regents and their puppets.

The fact that there is no check and balance on the regents and apparently no hope of there ever being a check and balance, thanks to the perhaps well-intended but unfortunately misguided coup by Herbert Reynolds, means that our beloved Baylor is under constant siege by the regents and their lackeys. The only voice free to speak up for Baylor and her glorious heritage is the alumni association.

If the alumni association gives up, there will be no one left to call Baylor back to herself.

It is the alumni association that is able to give us joy as we think of and support Baylor. I pray that you who lead our association will be able to withstand this latest attack, though I know that your personal sacrifice will be great. Thank you for all you do on our—and on Baylor's—behalf.
Marilyn Medlock Roper '63
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina

I agree that to sit down and hear the proposal would be the just and correct thing to do. However, before agreeing to the proposal, I think the BAA should give us a fair and detailed view of the proposal. I do not believe we would get that unbiased opinion from the regents.

For many, many years, I have felt that the regents were out of touch with the students as well as alumni, that they didn’t really care for the policies and traditions of Baylor, and that they were wealthy men who were looking to “find a dollar.” A few years ago, I inquired about how a person became a regent and was promptly asked how much I was willing to contribute. Obviously, a public school elementary music teacher doesn’t qualify. Thank you for your efforts and concern for what is “right” for Baylor and the Baylor Alumni Association.
Ann Goode '71 Bold

I have always been pleased with the services and actions of the BAA, its board, and its staff. I trust that the BAA board will study the proposal, get good answers from the Board of Regents, and make an appropriate decision. I will support that decision.

However, while I have always been pleased with the BAA board and staff, I have not always been pleased with the direction, policies, and management of the university, the Board of Regents, and certain administrations. Therefore, without knowing all the facts, it seems to me that the watchdog aspect of the independent BAA is important to my feeling a part of the university ongoing.
R. L. (Dick) Kendall '57
Pearland

I think the BAA and Baylor University should remain separate.
Janis Hicks McIntosh '70, MSEd '72, EdD '79
Waco

From former students of my era, the opinions expressed are for the continued separation of the alumni association from the university administration. Please carry on!
Byron White '52
Arlington

Count on my wife and I, along with many friends of the 1940s era, to keep the BAA intact and not go under Baylor’s current leadership!

Just for the record, we have given substantially considering our economic station in life, as have some of our family.

Stand firm!
Jim '43, JD '48, and Elaine “Rusty” Bush Kendrick '47
Conroe

I do not understand why Baylor is seeking to control communication and information. Why would that be necessary? If Baylor is unhappy with the job that the BAA has been doing, can't productive, meaningful dialogue solve the problem? It seems to me, at this critical time in the life of the university, that Baylor should be courting the BAA and its constituents rather than saber-rattling against them. How can Baylor alumni come together in the midst of all of this overt and covert hostility?

Why does this dysfunctional split continue? Probably like many others, I am growing weary of it. If there is "duplication of effort" by the university and the BAA, why doesn't the university cease to do what the BAA has historically done and/or the BAA cease to do what the university has historically done? Both would then have additional funds to do more without a loss in performance, thereby serving Baylor, the alumni, Baptists, the Waco community, and those beyond even better. Shouldn't that be the goal? This "game" is getting old, and I am reaching the point of saying, "I do not want to play anymore."
Drew Wilson '86

Although I love Baylor, I do not support department status and university control over the BAA. Please consider this a no vote from me, a lifetime member, on the proposal. The BAA and the BAA’s funds should remain independent. I appreciate the work the BAA does on behalf of all alumni.
Bill Godsey '82, MS '90
Longview

I understand that Judge McCall, who was one of Baylor’s wisest leaders, agreed, in resolving some issues that previously arose many years ago, that having an independent, supportive alumni association was a very valuable asset to the university.

From my personal experience in helping activate the Baylor Letterman’s Association in the 1960s and getting approval to raise funds to locate and construct our “B” Room on Baylor property at the stadium, I recall having some very clear and wonderful meetings with Dr. Herbert Reynolds (who was then vice president to Judge McCall) in which he was very clear and positive as to wanting the “B” Association to have its facilities on Baylor property. He was very appreciative of the work we volunteers were donating and optimistic as to the help and assistance an independent organization of former Baylor athletes could provide to Baylor and its future athletic programs. At the same time, we understood that while the “B” Association’s input would be welcomed, appreciated, and given appropriate consideration, it was not our place to hire or fire the coaches. We were there to help.

That supporting but independent relationship let us raise the money for the “B” Room and for volunteer lettermen to handle many activities and make significant contributions to help support the athletic program for many years at no cost to the university, and without encountering any conflicts with the university that could not be promptly and properly resolved in good faith without a fuss.

There is no question in my mind that a similar independent relationship was and is the very best and proper relationship for the alumni association to have with the university. I sincerely hope that a good-faith agreement can be reached towards that goal. The dissolution of the Baylor Alumni Association under the present circumstances would give the appearance that the former independent organization of ex-students had become (or would be considered to be) just a tool to be used by someone in the university in whatever way they might want to from time to time. I therefore believe a surrender of the independent existence and operation of the Baylor Alumni Association would be a tragedy and result in a major loss to Baylor University.

The Baylor Alumni Association has been and is a major supporter of Baylor University and has the potential to even contribute more in the future. I don’t know what, why, or how this demand or problem or proposal to take over the independent alumni association arose at this time, but if the majority of the regents, administration, and alumni directors truly care about Baylor (and I believe they do) that loss should not be permitted to occur.
Albert Witcher '60, JD '62

Add my name to the list of those who wish the BAA to remain a strong and independent voice in the face of the potentially damaging decision-making power of the university administration and Board of Regents. The power of 19,000 alumni is a considerable counterbalance to the vagaries of potential theocrats who may pose a danger to mission of a free and independent Baylor. Let's keep the BAA strong and free of the administration and Board of Regents.

Thanks you for informing me of the danger that is poised to strike at the heart of Baylor's mission.
William R. Garner '57
Carbondale, Illinois

Based on the limited information I have received regarding the proposed dissolution of the BAA, I would like to voice my opposition.
Lori Sandlin '89
Germantown, Tennessee

Leave the BAA alone. It does a great job.
Marian McMurry Richards '55
Austin

I believe the BAA should be a separate group.
Carl Darnell '60
Henderson, Nevada

I oppose Baylor’s proposal to dissolve the BAA.
Don Jackson, JD '83
Houston

As a part of a multi-generational Baylor family, I am very disappointed in the Board of Regents, its chair, and the interim president.

It is irrelevant what "other" universities or colleges are doing with their alumni. I would rather have 19,000 involved alumni than "service" 140,000 who couldn’t care less about actively helping the school. If Baylor were like other universities, our family would not have attended it.

The tone, demeanor, timing, and source of the regents’ request cast a shadow of sinistry rather than ministry.

Let's keep our BAA as it is—separate while unified—and let's keep our Board of Regents accountable, especially its chair!
Dr. Robert Cortes Jr. '76
Temple

Dr Reynolds’s statement in the fall issue of the Baylor Line speaks to only one of the many reasons for the independence of the association. The blatant attempt to silence views other than those of the regents and administration threatens the integrity o Bold

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H. T. Lynn '57
Waco

From my point of view, it would be a serious mistake for the BAA to surrender its 501(c)(3) status and become a part of the University. I am not pleased with the narrow direction the University has taken in the past few years. I would hate for the BAA to be subjected to the same censure that the faculty and other university programs have suffered. It is imperative that the BAA remain an independent voice for Baylor.
Marilea Whatley Lewis '75, JD '78
Dallas

It is my belief the BAA should remain separate. The organization needs to represent its members and work with the university administration for the good of the university, not become part of the university bureaucracy.
Jeanne Pope Harrell '69
College Station

I cannot help but wonder where Baylor would be today were it not for the independent, vocal stance of the BAA over the past couple of decades.
Louis Fairchild '59
Ardsley, New York

I have read the proposal and really don't know what they are up to. With the past history, I wouldn't trust them any farther than I could throw them, to use an old phrase. I would like to know what Garland meant about harming and damaging Baylor. I would also like to know if that is how he feels or if he was given an ultimatum by the regents. It is a shame we can't trust people in their position.
Robert Mastin '62
Corpus Christi

I have long felt the regents needed a voice that represented the non-Baptist alums. This role to some degree is currently filled by the BAA. As with much of the Baylor laundry which is aired publicly, the current issue has been handled poorly. Remain independent. The BAA will better serve Baylor as long as it can point out when the regents stub their collective toe.
Cary Dorman '73, JD '76
Fort Worth

I am in favor of keeping the Baylor Alumni Association as is. A quality university invites discussion rather than silencing it.
Linda Wise '69
Dallas

Dissolve the BAA and turn over all assets to the Baylor regents? Absolutely not!
J. L. Cole '67
Abilene

I am in favor of an independent alumni association.
Clifton Nauert '57
Austin

It seems as if the Board of Regents is trying to force the hand of the BAA into doing what they see as right. It is imperative that the BAA stay independent of Baylor, because our voice will be lost if the two entities merge. This is beginning to seem like a down-and-dirty political scene.

I was a student at Hankamer when Robert Sloan was given a vote of no-confidence, and one of my professors (a Baylor grad) was given a pink slip for very obvious reasons—his vocal support of ousting Robert Sloan. He was one of the best professors I had at Baylor.

Bottom line is if we are to lose our independence, we may see Baylor spiral into an institution we wouldn’t recognize.

Now, having regular meetings between the Board of Regents and the BAA makes complete sense. I will most certainly give my vote to that.
Tiffany Thompson Bolton '04
West

There are a number of ways to stifle oversight, questions, and even dissent, and this is one way. I favor independence.
William White '63, JD '65
Fort Worth

With a great deal of interest we read concerning the Baylor regents’ proposal to incorporate the Baylor Alumni Association beneath the canopy of the university. All assets and endeavors of the BAA would be given to and directed by the administration. This seems plausible, practical, and workable to some. The thinking suggesting such a course is that Baylor is the only private university in the nation that has this arrangement of an independent alumni association; therefore, it is wise to consolidate the BAA within the administration.

However, the ultimate question is not, "What are other universities doing?" It is, "What is best for Baylor?" Without question, the best for Baylor is for the alumni organization to be an independent, yet loyal, supporter of the university. Its voice will be free. Its advice and actions can be unbiased. The sole agenda is what is best for Baylor.

This arrangement has served us well in the past. The contributions of the BAA are incalculable. At no time has this organization been at cross purposes with the ideals and purpose of the university. Alumni bodies beneath the canopy of administrations in other universities face the possibility of lockstep and control to party line. Baylor has been free of such posture thanks to the independence and separation of our system.

Therefore, it is imperative that we maintain this redemptive arrangement. It is best for Baylor for the alumni organization to remain a loyal, independent, and free-standing body. We thank the regents for their offer. We will meet them at the fifty yard line. We encourage them to join with us in making a better Baylor.
Dr. Bill '54 and Veta Cole Sherman '53
Nashville, Tennessee

Upon receipt of Mr. Garland’s letter outlining the proposal for the dissolution of the BAA, I quickly took care of long overdue business and joined the BAA. As a graduate of Baylor and a lifetime member of the Baylor Law Alumni association , I strongly urge that the BAA remain independent of the Baylor Board of Regents. I understand that our relationship with the institution is unique among private schools, yet given the unique nature of Baylor and the differences of those who wish to define her, independence is required.
Greg Fitzgerald '82, JD '85
Colleyville

I am very concerned at the idea of not having an independent association, despite what the university is saying about other top-tier private universities not having independent alumni organizations.

Baylor is a unique place, both in terms of its strengths and weaknesses. Being a Christian university doesn't take away its flaws. I think the fact that it is unique warrants an independent alumni association to help aid in giving it proper oversight. I am very suspect of the fact that the administration disagrees.
Kim Kevil Thoss '86
Houston

Keep us independent. Accountability is much greater that way!
Randy Mull '79
Waco

It is my opinion that the Baylor Alumni Association should remain independent of the university. Every organization should have supporters and oversight by someone, even if it is just the organization’s opinion. Also, it makes since to me that the members of the association be polled to really know what they think about a particular issue involving the university. This information should be welcomed by regents and the administration.
William Harold Martin '73
Tyler

Do not dissolve the charter and become a university department Maintain our independence.
Steve Clack '77, JD '80
Kerrville

I am saddened to hear of the current administration's desire to eliminate the BAA. I will not support Baylor should it choose to follow through with such a plan.
Barbara Walker '67
Anthem, Arizona

There is never a wrong time to do the right thing. The Baylor Alumni Association is 100 percent correct in what it is trying to accomplish. The BAA has a very strong history over the past 150 years. You have all of my support!!
Art Coltharp '61
Austin

I am against the regents’ proposal to dissolve the charter of the Baylor Alumni association and to turn over all of its assets, personnel, and operations to the university.

The Baylor Alumni Association is unique. It is a strong organization which performs well in the best interest of the school which we, as alumni, hold dear. This association has done and will do what is best for Baylor University—without the help of the twenty-one individuals who are known as the Board of Regents.
Judi Nance Staton '66
Lindale

We are not in favor of dissolving the charter of the Baylor Alumni Association. The Baylor Line magazine has been far superior to the other magazine in news, keeping up with alums, obits, professors news, and in all ways that interest us. The alumni association has served alums well through the years and continues to improve.
Gaylen '59 and Diane Martin Crain '61
Dallas

I cannot tell you how saddened I am by the proposal the Baylor regents have made to destroy the BAA's independence. It reminds me of the tactics of political dictators when trying to consolidate their power and silence any independent voices.

I am a life member of the BAA. I eagerly read the Baylor Line as soon as I receive it in an attempt to stay in touch with many old friends and the university where I received a first-class education. It was a first-class education not because the university was "top-tier,” but because Baylor was interested first and foremost in the students. The professors were student-oriented and spent a great deal of time and effort teaching—really teaching—the students. I have always been proud of my Baylor education.

In a recent visit to the campus, I felt out of place in the grand, beautiful campus. I do not recognize the campus anymore. I also do not recognize the university anymore. The terrible events that took place under Dr. Robert Sloan seem to have broken the bonds that united us—all of us. In my family, we have fourteen Baylor degrees. We feel like Baylor is part of us and we should be part of it. Personally, I feel alienated. I don't understand the concerted effort on the part of the Baylor regents to dissolve the Baylor Alumni Association. I keep wondering what are they afraid of?

I have no interest in belonging to or participating in any other alumni association besides the BAA. God bless you in your attempts to straighten out this ungodly mess.
Anita Reeves Diatschenko '65, MA '67
Sugar Land

You are acting in a competent, diplomatic, and tolerant manner in your management of the situation between the BAA and Baylor’s regents and interim president. The BAA is a positive organization with many accomplishments.

The Baylor administration's efforts to control every voice and organization that cares about Baylor are only alienating those who would prefer to cooperate. The regents have performed poorly and ever more privately in Baylor's recent history. They have either made questionable choices for president or have not been able to work with the presidents that they chose. And now they are trying to swallow up or eliminate Baylor's oldest and most steadfast supporting organization—the Baylor Alumni Association. The regents act like a group with much to fear, and yet they keep generating more animosities and more demands. Apparently, if you have any independent thoughts, they try to cut off your communications. Sad and embarrassing.
Jamie Hitchcock Diamandopoulos '59
Houston

It's been disheartening to see a flare-up in the relationship between the BAA and the Baylor regents. I thought both parties had put their differences aside in an attempt to mend things and work together. I trust the leadership of the BAA to make the best decision for Baylor alumni and the Baylor family.

Having said that, from the outside looking in it appears the Baylor regents are making a power grab so that only one message gets out to Baylor alumni. That is a bigger disappointment than I can express.
Mitchell Wren '81
Teague

I am of the opinion that we should decline the proposal requesting the BAA dissolve its charter and turn over everything to the university.
Carl Sample ‘73

I would hope that you could stay independent while working with Baylor in a humble and uniting spirit.
Lynne Reamer Endrody '80
Wheaton, Illinois

I think it's important for the BAA to remain independent from the university, especially while the university is as political as it is. I do not believe the university would allow fair and honest reporting, if the BAA were part of the university.
Name Withheld

From the tone of your report, I can feel the frustration and even anger over the events that prompted your report. There has to be something else that triggered the spiteful attitude of the regents—perhaps a change in leadership or an overbearing desire to control everything and anything connected to Baylor. Was this attitude apparent when Dr. Sloan was president? If not, then we are dealing with personalities that have been angered but dormant. It sounds as if the interim president is being controlled by the chair of the regents and his cohorts.

Stand your ground! At the present pace, they will go too far and be embarrassed and the local papers will pick it up. This present situation has no parallel from which to draw comparisons, so you're plowing new ground. Pray a lot and stay focused on the alumni's mission.
Ken Graham '57
Tomball

I believe that the alumni association should be an independent voice and not controlled by the university board.
Rhonda K. Rogers, JD ’86
Austin

I've watched Baylor slide to the level of the illustrious Harvard, Princeton, Duke secular crowd—I have many sorrowful feelings about what has and is happening to Baylor. I skimmed the Baylor Magazine last issue, and I think I saw "Baptist" at least three times. The Baylor regents would not have much interest in my feelings, so I will not spell them out.

Instead, a brief statement and request of my own may be understood—Bro. Garland and the Baylor regents can take their request that we "disolve" our charter and take a high dive into Waco Creek during the dry season.
Bill McClarty '54, DDS '57
Amarillo

NO! The regents' arrogance should not be rewarded!
Walter '57 and Nancy Youngblood Counts '60
DeSoto

After reading the attachment, I am concerned that the Board of Regents is looking for power, not resolution. Personally, I believe the BAA is a very important tool to keep alumni informed about activities at Baylor. My hope is that the BAA board will continue to seek a resolution and keep the BAA intact and active.
Glenda Holbrook '60
Kemp

When I read your e-mail, I thought, "Certainly this cannot be true." Frankly, I hoped I would find the proposal by the Board of Regents more reasonable than your e-mail indicated and that this was a "turf war." However, I read the proposal, and it is every bit as bad as your e-mail indicated.

I am a liberal, Democratic, and Episcopalian graduate of Baylor and Baylor law school, and although not a typical Baylor alum I love the Baylor of Ann Miller, Robert Reid, Robert Baird, and James Vardaman—the Baylor where Abner McCall maintained a wonderful balance between the lawyers and the preachers, and where I received an excellent liberal arts and legal education.

I have always felt that this was the Baylor that the BAA epitomized and represented. In recent years, I have felt that the only link to Baylor at its best was the alumni association. I would much rather fellow alumni maintain a strong and independent voice in the future of this great university.
Frances Blair Bethea '76, JD '80
Kountze

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